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		<title>By: SophiaZoe</title>
		<link>http://pandemicchronicle.com/2008/08/follow-on-cdc-patent-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>SophiaZoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ssal I&#039;m hearing your frustration.  As much as it pained me to give up the topic I really had little choice. Let me tell you why I had to give up:

Tomorrow a regional VP and the CFO show up at my &quot;day job&quot; for two days.  When they leave (if I&#039;m still employed) I will be slipping into Month End where I face Hell Week #1 and then Hell Week #2.  The I fly out to Vegas for a seminar, return home, have one day to do my private life stuff, spend the next day doing our August financial review, then I fly out to a conference in Washington DC. By the time I wrap all of that up this topic will no doubt be a &quot;dead issue&quot;.

I cannot devote the time I need to take this topic any further cuz I would have to do some rather intensive delving into the topic as well as call in a very big favor that I&#039;d just as soon not chew through except for a truly meaningful issue.

Although I believe this issue is meaningful, I don&#039;t believe we can have any impact upon or within it.  It is fascinating though and I am genuinely saddened that I will miss the &quot;adventure&quot; of this unexpected opportunity to expand my understanding on something new.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ssal I&#8217;m hearing your frustration.  As much as it pained me to give up the topic I really had little choice. Let me tell you why I had to give up:</p>
<p>Tomorrow a regional VP and the CFO show up at my &#8220;day job&#8221; for two days.  When they leave (if I&#8217;m still employed) I will be slipping into Month End where I face Hell Week #1 and then Hell Week #2.  The I fly out to Vegas for a seminar, return home, have one day to do my private life stuff, spend the next day doing our August financial review, then I fly out to a conference in Washington DC. By the time I wrap all of that up this topic will no doubt be a &#8220;dead issue&#8221;.</p>
<p>I cannot devote the time I need to take this topic any further cuz I would have to do some rather intensive delving into the topic as well as call in a very big favor that I&#8217;d just as soon not chew through except for a truly meaningful issue.</p>
<p>Although I believe this issue is meaningful, I don&#8217;t believe we can have any impact upon or within it.  It is fascinating though and I am genuinely saddened that I will miss the &#8220;adventure&#8221; of this unexpected opportunity to expand my understanding on something new.</p>
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		<title>By: ssal</title>
		<link>http://pandemicchronicle.com/2008/08/follow-on-cdc-patent-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>ssal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish, wish someone would write and post a brief, simple, crystal clear summary of this matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish, wish someone would write and post a brief, simple, crystal clear summary of this matter.</p>
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		<title>By: SophiaZoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>SophiaZoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You can always be (partially) wrong, no problem. It’s only uncomfortable/embarassing when you took part in one direction so strongly &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve left this topic and moved along but I did want to comment about the above gs.  

I totally disagree with you, I do not find it a problem at all to admit an error, in fact I consider it to be a healthy thing to do not to mention the intellectually honest thing to do.

Last time I checked there wasn&#039;t a perfect person around so it&#039;s not like I&#039;m the lone wolf when I make a mistake, everyone makes mistakes.

Besides, admitting that I make them on that &quot;oh so rare occasion&quot; helps to keep my ego in check ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You can always be (partially) wrong, no problem. It’s only uncomfortable/embarassing when you took part in one direction so strongly </p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve left this topic and moved along but I did want to comment about the above gs.  </p>
<p>I totally disagree with you, I do not find it a problem at all to admit an error, in fact I consider it to be a healthy thing to do not to mention the intellectually honest thing to do.</p>
<p>Last time I checked there wasn&#8217;t a perfect person around so it&#8217;s not like I&#8217;m the lone wolf when I make a mistake, everyone makes mistakes.</p>
<p>Besides, admitting that I make them on that &#8220;oh so rare occasion&#8221; helps to keep my ego in check <img src='http://pandemicchronicle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Perezoso</title>
		<link>http://pandemicchronicle.com/2008/08/follow-on-cdc-patent-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-185</link>
		<dc:creator>Perezoso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great question GSGS.  I just posted an analysis of that claim (including a copy of &quot;Table 1&quot;) and explanation of the term &quot;insert&quot; at Immunocompetent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great question GSGS.  I just posted an analysis of that claim (including a copy of &#8220;Table 1&#8243;) and explanation of the term &#8220;insert&#8221; at Immunocompetent.</p>
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		<title>By: gsgs</title>
		<link>http://pandemicchronicle.com/2008/08/follow-on-cdc-patent-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>gsgs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SZ,
why is it a stupid idea to ask CDC questions on the phone ?
why should Mr.Shaw not take to time to reply to this important issue ?

I think it was a good idea to contact CDC and that you even succeeded to get Shaw&#039;s opinion.
Well, IMO you shouldn&#039;t have used such strong words in your comments, though.
You can always be (partially) wrong, no problem. It&#039;s only uncomfortable/embarassing when
you took part in one direction so strongly ;-)
I don&#039;t yet know who is right about the claiming for a patent on parts of the virus(-code).
Hammond says yes, CDC says no, I don&#039;t really know from the patent-wording,
it&#039;s ambiguous for me.

is it this:

 &gt; WHAT IS CLAIMED TS:
 &gt; 1. A nucleic acid molecule comprising a polynucleotide encoding an influenza protein selected 
 &gt; from the group consisting of hemagglutinin A (HA), neuraminidase (NA), M2 Protein, and 
 &gt; nucleoprotein (NP), wherein said polynucleotide comprises
 &gt; (a) a plasmid taken from Table 1 (or its insert), or
 &gt; (b) an analog of said plasmid or insert having at least 95% identity thereto.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SZ,<br />
why is it a stupid idea to ask CDC questions on the phone ?<br />
why should Mr.Shaw not take to time to reply to this important issue ?</p>
<p>I think it was a good idea to contact CDC and that you even succeeded to get Shaw&#8217;s opinion.<br />
Well, IMO you shouldn&#8217;t have used such strong words in your comments, though.<br />
You can always be (partially) wrong, no problem. It&#8217;s only uncomfortable/embarassing when<br />
you took part in one direction so strongly <img src='http://pandemicchronicle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I don&#8217;t yet know who is right about the claiming for a patent on parts of the virus(-code).<br />
Hammond says yes, CDC says no, I don&#8217;t really know from the patent-wording,<br />
it&#8217;s ambiguous for me.</p>
<p>is it this:</p>
<p> &gt; WHAT IS CLAIMED TS:<br />
 &gt; 1. A nucleic acid molecule comprising a polynucleotide encoding an influenza protein selected<br />
 &gt; from the group consisting of hemagglutinin A (HA), neuraminidase (NA), M2 Protein, and<br />
 &gt; nucleoprotein (NP), wherein said polynucleotide comprises<br />
 &gt; (a) a plasmid taken from Table 1 (or its insert), or<br />
 &gt; (b) an analog of said plasmid or insert having at least 95% identity thereto.</p>
<p>?</p>
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		<title>By: gsgs</title>
		<link>http://pandemicchronicle.com/2008/08/follow-on-cdc-patent-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>gsgs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they can always easily change it, without
much damage, or not ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they can always easily change it, without<br />
much damage, or not ?</p>
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		<title>By: Perezoso</title>
		<link>http://pandemicchronicle.com/2008/08/follow-on-cdc-patent-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>Perezoso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What they wrote in the patent is what matters.  It&#039;s the legal document.  And yes, they claim the Indonesian, Thai, and other genes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What they wrote in the patent is what matters.  It&#8217;s the legal document.  And yes, they claim the Indonesian, Thai, and other genes.</p>
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		<title>By: gsgs</title>
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		<dc:creator>gsgs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so, does CDC or NIH claim for a patent on parts
of the genetical encryption of 
A/IDN/5/05 or not ?
I mean, not what they wrote in the patent,
but what they really mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so, does CDC or NIH claim for a patent on parts<br />
of the genetical encryption of<br />
A/IDN/5/05 or not ?<br />
I mean, not what they wrote in the patent,<br />
but what they really mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Perezoso</title>
		<link>http://pandemicchronicle.com/2008/08/follow-on-cdc-patent-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-180</link>
		<dc:creator>Perezoso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read the claims of the patent, SZ, rather than just swallowing the statements of CDC&#039;s PR hack whole.

The patent claims are clear, and if the CDC PR hack told you what you say he told you, then I&#039;m afraid that what he said was an outright lie.

Just read it. Read the claims.  Refer back to the patent application text to confirm what they mean.  This is tedious but it&#039;s not rocket science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read the claims of the patent, SZ, rather than just swallowing the statements of CDC&#8217;s PR hack whole.</p>
<p>The patent claims are clear, and if the CDC PR hack told you what you say he told you, then I&#8217;m afraid that what he said was an outright lie.</p>
<p>Just read it. Read the claims.  Refer back to the patent application text to confirm what they mean.  This is tedious but it&#8217;s not rocket science.</p>
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